Darin Hayes
We're gonna talk about some helmet innovations that happened in the past, as well as some great players that have birthdays today and a coach. And we're gonna talk about the number six today with Jeremy McFarland. Hello, my football friends. Welcome to the Daily Podcast that honors the innovations, the innovators, and the great players who made the game of American football. So it's very special. This is Darren Hages of pigskindispatch.com, and we really welcome you. If you've been here before, we welcome you back. If you haven't been here before, well, you're in the right place because we wanna share the football history with you, and we want you to share things with us. You can reach us at pigskin -dispatch at gmail .com. If you have any questions, comments, or anything you'd like to talk about in football history, we've got a long off-season, but we've got a lot to cover because we have some exciting guests, including today's guests. We have Jeremy McFarlan of the Football is Family podcast on the Sports History Network. Jeremy's coming on, and he's gonna discuss the greatest players to wear the number six in the NFL with me. We're gonna come up with a great list for you players, and you're gonna really take you down some memory lane here as it's an exciting discussion that we had. So before we get to that, we have some business to take care of. Jeremy McFarlan, welcome to the Pig Pen.
Jeremy McFarlan
Well, thank you for having me on, Darin.
Darin Hayes
Well, it's our pleasure, but why don't you add for our listeners that haven't heard the footballs family podcast. Why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and what you do on your podcasts.
Jeremy McFarlan
Well, I am a Titans fan through and through, and I don't hide that at all. And, you know, I'm willing to come out here and say this. What I wanted to do with this is to show that football is based on family and fans. And when you become a fan of a team, you take on a family mentality in a lot of ways, and I want to know why you're a fan of your team. And, you know, you see all the million-dollar contracts and the billion-dollar stadiums. But there's a reason why they can do that because each and every one of us loves a team. And that's what I want to talk about.
Darin Hayes
Ah, that is very well said, and folks, when you listen to his podcast, you get that feeling every single podcast. He welcomes his guests, and I've been on there once or twice. Very welcoming. It's a very family-friendly podcast, something you'd be proud to let your children listen to. And you learn a lot about the game of football. And so we appreciate Jeremy for that. But tonight, Jeremy, we have you on a little bit different task. We have brought you into the pig pen because we are on a journey of going through every single jersey number in the NFL zero through 1999. And we're going to talk about the great legends and really all the substantial players that were that number and see if we can come up with a top list of those players that were the number of throughout football history. So, it's all the way back to 1920 in the NFL. Today, so we have 100 years to choose from players. So I know you were talking before that you have a particular you have one favorite. I don't know if you want to bring them up now or if you want to save them for the end.
Jeremy McFarlan
I'll go ahead and bring him up. My friend and I here in Hurricane Mills, Tennessee, live in Dodge, Jay Cutler, and people say, well, why do you do that? Well, number one, I grew up a Vanderbilt Commodore fan, and he was pretty much the only guy that made Vanderbilt worth watching for a long time. And people said that he doesn't care. He didn't get fazed by anything. Watching him, and when he got drafted by the Broncos, I was like, that was my team until the Titans came to Tennessee. And I was excited about that. So I went out and bought a Titans jersey or a Cutler Broncos jersey. Well, I bought it. He got traded to Chicago. I went out and had to buy a Chicago Bears jersey, and I have that as well. I haven't bought a Dolphins jersey. I don't know if I'm going to do that or not because I don't know if I want to recognize that as his last year playing. I bought all the football cards I could get. I have his action figures. I even have a stuffed likeness of him. It was on Amazon one day, and it was really cheap. I said, you know what? It is probably creepy for a 30-year-old to buy a stuffed likeness of a football player, but I bought it. And Darren, I don't know if you can see this. Let me put this up here.
Darin Hayes
Oh yeah, I see now an autographed picture of Jay Cutler in a Broncos number six jersey.
Jeremy McFarlan
Do you see this, though?
Darin Hayes
Oh yeah, a little crease going across it.
Jeremy McFarlan
I got that a few years ago. He autographed it and sent it to me, and I was excited, put it back in the envelope that it came in, and went to show my wife, and she had it in her hand and ripped it, the envelope in it, and she thought it was empty. And at that point, you know, I was like, OK, what do you do? What do you do? But, you know, it's more of a thing right now, for his name is Ken. He's going to be on my podcast pretty soon. It's more of a thing right now that we joke about Cutler, but we both own color jerseys, and it's just one of those things. But to me, from the bottom of my heart, he's the best number six has ever been. But there have been plenty of good ones. Let me give you some numbers here, Darren, if I can.
Darin Hayes
Yeah, please do.
Jeremy McFarlan
Uh, people have, and I've heard people say, well, there's not been a bear, a good Bears quarterback, six, six, six, Sid Lutman, but listen to this. He holds the record for the most touchdowns by a bear in his career with 154 passing yards, 23 443. Oh, uh, completions, uh, 2020 attempts, 32 71 most passing yards or most path at 300 passing yards at 16, 28 game-winning drives.
Darin Hayes
Oh, wow. That's just as a bear, you're saying.
Jeremy McFarlan
That's just like a bear. He was sacked 251 times. Now I'm telling you. This guy was beaten up, but he came back now. When he played for the Broncos, he ranked six. He only played a couple of years for the Broncos, but he ranked sixth overall in passing. He's only 42,000 yards behind John Elway.
Darin Hayes
Very impressive.
Jeremy McFarlan
Yes. Now, again, people can say what they want to about him. The Bears were competitive these years because of Jay Cutler. Now, a lot of it, their defense was great, too. But you remember that they went to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman. If they had only had an offensive line, he would have, and they would have been a lot more behind it. Just say this. 227 total touchdowns. To me, that deserves some respect, a little bit of respect. So, Jay Cutler fans out there. Just remember, he doesn't care. Or Jake, you know, Jay Cutler haters, he doesn't care.
Darin Hayes
But 227 is definitely, I mean, all those stats, but 227 touchdowns is nothing to sneeze about in the top level of football. I always like to look, as we've been looking at these quarterbacks, which is not sweet. One of my favorite stats of a quarterback for his career is that touchdown to interception ratio. And I show with his 227 touchdowns, he has 160 interceptions for his career. And the majority of those were with Chicago. We had 109 of those, and 160 were with Chicago. The majority of his touchdowns were with Chicago, 254, as you said. So he's pretty consistent on his ratio of touchdowns to interceptions. And it's not bad. There are many quarterbacks who you would think were outstanding at it. We found a couple of his past week that we said, oh my gosh, I didn't realize he had that many interceptions. I'm sorry, Brett Favre; I would have thought that they had more interceptions. He actually had a lot less than what I thought he did. So it's kind of surprising. But there are some other quarterbacks who looked at it and said, oh my gosh, I can't believe you threw that many picks. I don't remember that. So it's an interesting stat, but you're definitely right. Jake Cutler is worthy of being a bench engineer with the number 60. He had a great career with that.
Jeremy McFarlan
He did, and and I'll tell you this. I have played many a game. I'm mad with him as my starting quarterback. Not all of them were great, but you know, hey, he still played.
Darin Hayes
Now, I show that the other stat I usually look at is the overall win-loss, which has been starting, and I have him do a 74 and 79 for his career.
Jeremy McFarlan
Yeah, that was with mainly with the Broncos and he had a bad couple of bad years with the with the Bears and the Dolphins too. So we don't look at that very very much.
Darin Hayes
And it's not always on the quarterback either, but it's the only control we can have. So, but yeah, good career, good, good bring-up on Jay Cutler. We do have some other contestants here to come up with our list. There are two halls of farmers, according to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, who was the number six significantly, and I have them down as Benny Friedman and Ray Fleary. And I don't know if you have anything to say about either one of them.
Jeremy McFarlan
Yeah, Benny Friedman didn't know much about him, but considering the time that he played, which was early, early on, four-time first-team All-Pro, which is insane. That's good. Sixty-six passing touchdowns and 18 rushing touchdowns. But the kicker to me, Darren, that made me look at him and say, I respect this guy. He was elected into both the Pro and the College Football Hall of Fame.
Darin Hayes
Absolutely. Yes, he was a real talent. I have an interesting college story about him. The pinnacle of his collegiate career was probably 1926. He played for Michigan, and they were battling for the Big Ten Championship. The Wolverines trailed Ohio State by 10 -0 early in a big game they had. The head coach of Michigan was Fielding Yost, the famous coach. He decided to unleash the air attack after being downtown nothing, which is two Hall of Famers, the eventual Hall of Famers, Friedman and Benny Oosterbahn. And Oosterbahn made circus catches off of Friedman's lollipops he was throwing up, and it just annihilated Ohio State's defense, and Michigan came back and won 17 -16 and won what was now what we now call the Big Ten Conference. It is kind of an exciting time.
Jeremy McFarlan
They call that Benny to Benny connection.
Darin Hayes
Right, yeah, the Bennies, Benny Friedman in the pros, he had some great teams he played on Cleveland Bulldogs, the Detroit Wolverines, the New York Giants, the Brooklyn Dodgers, and he said he made it into the pro football Hall of Fame. And 1927 is one of his highlights as a pro. He was a rookie then, and he led the league with 11 touchdown passes. A rookie broke that two years later, in 1929, when he threw 20 scoring passes. That doesn't sound like a lot by today's standards, but think about it: the forward pass just arrived in college football in 1906. This is only a couple of decades after that, and a lot of people aren't accepting the forward pass to what we know it as today.
Jeremy McFarlan
Yeah, if you pass for a touchdown pass, that was something 20, which was incredible.
Darin Hayes
Yes. So, he was definitely a substantial player in the early NFL. How about Ray Flaherty? You have...
Jeremy McFarlan
He's a Hall of Famer. Like you said, a three-time NFL champ, which is incredible, is just interesting, too. And if you ever do any research on the Redskins back in that time, I encourage anybody to read about them, especially about their owner. Not a good guy, but a weird, weird, weird man, period. But anyway, he is considered one of the 80 greatest Redskins of all time.
Darin Hayes
No, that's saying something there.
Jeremy McFarlan
It is, considering that they have been around since pretty much soon after the NFL formed, three-time first-team All-Pro, and that's what I have about them.
Darin Hayes
OK, yeah, he is also known as. I think he got into the Hall of Fame as a coach. He was a great player, too. He failed to mention this. Jay Cutler wore number six on all the different teams he was on. He was number six his whole career in the NFL. I believe that's the same with Benny Friedman, but I believe he was number six for the majority of his career, but not all of it. Ray Flaherty, I only had worn the number six in one season in 1931 when he played for the Giants, but the Proko Hall of Fame recognizes that as being a Hall of Famer wearing that number. And that's where we're going with that. When he left school, he went to Washington State and transferred to Gonzaga. After school, in 1926, he joined the original AFL's Los Angeles Wildcats teams. He was playing, and then he left and played in the end with Red Granges, New York Yankees. I think they were the brainstorming team there with Grange. And then, after the Yankees folded, he joined the Giants. But he ended up going to the Boston Redskins. They were in 1936 as a coach. And in his seven seasons at the helm, the Redskins won two NFL championships and four division titles. That's not too shabby for a coaching career, too. So definitely deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, definitely in our conversation of great number sixes.
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
Darin Hayes
Do you have some others that you want to talk about?
Jeremy McFarlan
Yeah, I've got a few. Of course, my bias is going to come out of Brett Kern's place for the Titans. What's a Bronco? They let him go, and they probably regret that now. Uh, I want to give you some numbers for him. He is probably maybe not this year because he was hurt, but he is
Darin Hayes
Fred Kern is a punter, correct?
Jeremy McFarlan
Yes, he is a punter. Probably the best punter in the NFL. It's disputable. But you know what, I'm talking right now. So that's what I say. OK, three-time pro bowler. The longest punt was 79 yards.
Darin Hayes
Wow.
Jeremy McFarlan
Now I have tried to punt in the past. I got 10 yards on the ground. It's not good. He can kick and this is the thing that people say he's going to kick it inside the 20. And inside the 20, he has kicked one third of his punt. They have landed inside the 20.
Darin Hayes
Wow, that's a great start.
Jeremy McFarlan
That when I looked at that, I thought, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And I have signed him on my fantasy team on Madden a few times. And just to see if he could do it, he can. It's not me, it's him. Forty-three thousand yards kicking, probably the best punter in the NFL. He's a weapon. And when you have a weapon that can pin a defense back or an offense back, you take advantage of him.
Darin Hayes
Oh, definitely. Anytime you can flip the field, that's a major contribution to the community.
Absolutely.
Jeremy McFarlan
Why the young WADD? Why young?
Mm-hmm
Jeremy McFarlan
Um, he played in, which I guess would be considered a receiver.
Darin Hayes
Yes.
Jeremy McFarlan
College Football Hall of Fame. Now, this man deserves to be on our list for several reasons, but number one, he is a bonafide hero. Fought in World War II. And if you go on, I think they have a list of professional football references. No, it might have been Wikipedia, one of the two. They have a list of the awards he won. This man is a hero. They died in 1945, I believe, in a B-29 raid, a crash landing. Again, he is a hero, and we thank him for his service.
Darin Hayes
Absolutely.
Jeremy McFarlan
He deserves that.
Darin Hayes
He died, I mean, not only in the Pacific theater; he died over the skies of Tokyo in 1945, not too friendly of airspace for an American airplane.
Jeremy McFarlan
No, no. And what I understand about that is he was trying to save somebody, and it obviously didn't didn't work out, but
Darin Hayes
I have down he was assisting a fellow US pilot whose plane was in distress, and then the two planes ended up colliding, and they killed all on board both planes. Yeah, definitely a hero, that's for sure.
Absolutely.
Jeremy McFarlan
Absolutely, Baker Mayfield number six and to me he is a he proved this year that he is a franchise quarterback last year was a little iffy. But he proved this year he is a franchise quarterback.
Darin Hayes
But let me start with, let's talk about that for a second. OK. This Mayfield, this is what, this is his third full season in the league. Yes. Now he came out, you know, had a pretty decent rookie season, you know, for, for rookie kind of learn the ropes second season, like you said, not, not so. That's so good for Baker Mayfield, but what do you think was the big turnaround for his 2020 season? Cause he really had a great season.
Jeremy McFarlan
Uh, I guess mechanics had a lot to do with it. I tried to. I like footwork, and to me, he got his passes down. If that makes sense, he got his passes down. Um, he still has great mobility and he still has a great arm, but he had his mechanics to the point where he could keep the pass within the receiver's range. And not only that, but their coach and the team that they put around him just elevated Baker Mayfield. Um, I hate to say this, uh, mainly because the Titans play in AFC, but he, they're going to be a forest for, I'd say four or five more years.
Darin Hayes
Oh, yeah, they definitely got a great nucleus piece. I mean, he's a great nucleus piece. And they've got some other great pieces, you know, with the running back, so with Chubb and Hunt, and the offensive line, they really built up this year; I think that maybe was a big contribution to Mayfield's success; he had a little bit more time in the pocket. And what do you think? OK, now this is when I live 100 miles from Cleveland. And I hear a lot of what the fans say, and we have a lot of the Cleveland news happening here. And some people have a theory that when Odell Beckham got injured this year, Mayfield sort of took off on his great run of having a great, great season. Before that, he was sort of mediocre, like he was years past, but he really took off when they lost. But many will say he is the Cleveland Brown's best receiver on their roster.
Jeremy McFarlan
Well, if you remember, uh, Don, uh, Donovan McNabb, uh, Trell Owens, uh, just a diva, just a diva, wanted every, the intention with him and all that. And McNabb did better without him in a lot of ways. Um, a lot of what, what I've seen with, with wide receivers that demand the ball, which that's what they're supposed to do. But a lot of it, you force it into that player, uh, because they can do insanely great things like Odell Beckham can with that player gone; you're not forcing it to one player, 60% of the time, you could spread it out and you actually can see that you have Jarvis Landry and you have the docu and you have, uh, other players out of the backfield, you have a, a, a, a whole group of people that can do what of course Odell Beckham is probably the best receiver in the league right now, or if not the best in the top three, but you, you have the opportunity to spread it around. And I think that's how Baker, you know, he finally got used to the fact, you know what, I don't have to throw it to one guy all the time.
Darin Hayes
Yeah, I think you're right. And this is astonishing. His stats when I said he made a turnaround. In 2019, like I said, I love the touchdown-interception ratio. In 2019, Baker Mayfield had 22 touchdowns and 21 interceptions, almost one for one. In 2020, he had 26 touchdowns and only eight interceptions. Big turnaround there. I think you're right. I think he found his running backs in the passing game a little bit better in the offensive line, and he has more confidence in some of the receivers and does not have them feel you have to go to one receiver all the time.
Jeremy McFarlan
Miss Jack Conklin is here; we miss him.
Oh, not that.
Jeremy McFarlan
I got some more, got some more.
Darin Hayes
All right, great.
Jeremy McFarlan
Um, I have here, uh, Mark Sanchez, uh, probably known best for the butt fumble, but guys, he was a little bit better than the butt fumble, but that's all I got. He was on the mass singer. I didn't know that that TV show on Fox was called The Mass Finger. I did. I didn't know that that was new to me. Um, Bobby Brister, yeah, Bobby Brister played for the Broncos. And here's what I remember from him. Uh, they had drafted Brian Greasy the year that John Elway, the year before John Elway retired, and they said that Bobby Brister would take over. And I remember reading on sports illustrated because we didn't get anything Broncos-related here in Tennessee. The only thing I remember is that his wife compared him to a puppy who has to take naps during the day because he is so energetic. Now, why do I remember that, of all things? I can't remember what I walked into a room for, but I can remember that his wife compared him to a puppy. And his name is Walter Andrew. I didn't know that either.
Darin Hayes
Yeah, I think it was the story goes, his sisters called him Bubby when he was, you know, a toddler, and the name just sort of stuck one of those things. But here is something that was surprising to me. I always think of, you know, Bubby Brewster, you know, the ladies quarterback and the Steelers. He was the starting quarterback for a handful of years. And I thought, you know, I always remembered him as an exciting player. And I enjoyed watching Bubby Brewster. I look back at the Steeler's records as him as a starter. His best record as a Steelers starter was in 1990. They were nine and seven. So they played in an AFC championship game with Bubby, and I believe they lost to Denver. Merril Hodge is on that team. Yeah, it was a close game, but Elway did one of his amazing Elway things and pulled the game out late, and the Broncos won the Super Bowl. But I was kind of surprised that he was basically a 500 quarterback with the Steelers for about seven seasons.
Thank you.
Jeremy McFarlan
You know about the football status and the Steelers in the 80s.
Darin Hayes
Yeah, I didn't realize I thought I would have guessed it would have been a little bit better record than that, but he left the Steelers, played with the Eagles for two years, played with the Jets, and then the Broncos for three and finished up with Minnesota in 2000.
Jeremy McFarlan
Absolutely. And Bubby is a player, so if you had to have him come in, it wouldn't be a bad thing. It wouldn't be a bad thing. He would be solid, but he's not the one that you'd build your franchise around.
Darin Hayes
No, his touchdown to intercept ratio is 81 to 78. So he's another one of the one-for-one touchdown interceptions over Korea.
Jeremy McFarlan
Now if I remember correctly about Mark Sanchez, his was 74 and 79, so he was one there too. I did find some more and I'll go through these real quick. The best hair of this bunch is Charlie Whitehurst.
Darin Hayes
OK, I'll agree with that.
Jeremy McFarlan
All I put down is epic hair. He played for the Titans, so I got to see him up close. And I can admit that his hair was amazing. Brian Succup, Super Bowl champ, played for the Titans. He has 83% field goal percentage and 83% hitting. So that's pretty impressive. Ray Lucas: many of you may know Ray Lucas. If you're a Jets fan, you probably know him as well. But he had a very, very bad day on October 29, 2002, with four interceptions and two fumbles. Not a good thing. Kevin Butler. Now, growing up playing Tecmo Bowl, I'm very familiar with Kevin Butler. He was the first kicker and was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame. One of the greatest, yep, I didn't either. One of the 100 greatest Bears of all time. He is also the Super Bowl champ, and he played for the 85 Bears. Now, I remember him; they had a commercial with him in it back in the day where he was sitting on a couch, and the psychiatrist was talking to him. He said they don't even give me matching shoes. You know, because he had the kicking shoe in the water.
Darin Hayes
Yes, you're right.
Jeremy McFarlan
I again, why do I remember that? That just shows you that the 80s were good for real good people real good.
Thank you.
Jeremy McFarlan
But, you know, there's a lot of kickers. Joe Nedney, known as Joe the Toe.
Mm-hmm.
Jeremy McFarlan
80% field goal field goals. That's pretty, pretty decent too. And, you know, it just kind of goes on from there. A lot of punters. Ryan Allen has punted as long as 67 yards. Roddy lamb. Now, I want to give you some interesting stats on Roddy Lamb. Are you ready?
Darin Hayes
OK, yeah.
Jeremy McFarlan
He had no touchdowns, one interception, and eight yards passing in his career.
Darin Hayes
Oh, what do you do?
Jeremy McFarlan
But there there's another one gene. Ross Rods, Ron Zanny. Part butchered his name. I didn't know this either. He is the second head coach in the history of the Packers.
Darin Hayes
Ah, that's very awesome.
Jeremy McFarlan
So we're getting into some interesting stuff.
Darin Hayes
Good history there. Good history.
Jeremy McFarlan
and here's one more I got for you. Here's another Vanderbilt Commodore. Jim Arnold is considered probably the top five greatest punters of all time, and he wore number six.
Darin Hayes
Nice. Well, I posted the list that you covered. I had one more quarterback that had some significance. I believe it was Mark Wilson who was with the Raiders. Yes, he was with the Raiders for both Oakland and LA and basically in the 1980s. And he spent his last couple of years with New England. He was a starter for most of his years with the Raiders, about four or five of them. But he didn't really have his touchdown to interception ratio. Eighty-six touchdowns, 102 interceptions. That's probably why he didn't last as a starter out there with the Silver and Black. But still had a nice career, a ten-year career for a quarterback in the NFL. Nothing to shake a stick at there.
Jeremy McFarlan
Yeah, I have them down with a pretty solid quarterback from the 80s, and keep in mind, up until Bill Walsh came out with Joe Montana, the idea of having fewer touchdowns and interceptions isn't that uncommon. You know, Joe Namath had a pretty high percentage of interceptions; it was more considered a point than it was anything else, and that kind of changed with the. With Bill Walsh and his movement, but yeah, you're right, that's that's a lot, though that's a lot of difference.
Darin Hayes
Yeah, it sure is. And we'll win you many games if you have that ratio a little bit more stabilized on the touchdown side. OK, I think we have a pretty good selection. Now, I think it's probably fair if we try to choose five of those folks that we just talked about in the war number six.
OK.
Darin Hayes
between the two of us, we can narrow that down to be a top five. Number six is an NFL history.
Jeremy McFarlan
And well, we got to go with the Hall of Famers.
Darin Hayes
I think hall of famers are definitely two of those slots. All right. So we'll put Friedman and Ray Flaherty is our two of our top five.
Jeremy McFarlan
One and 1a.
Darin Hayes
There you go. There we go. Let's talk about Jay Cutler.
OK.
Darin Hayes
I feel I'm not a big Cutler fan. I think he is a great player, but I think that looking at the players, I think Jake Cutler ought to be in that top five. I know you're probably going to argue against that. I'm just kidding.
Jeremy McFarlan
Looking at the number sixes, he is number three.
Darin Hayes
I agree with that. I agree. He's a solid number three of it.
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Jeremy McFarlan
Now, here's where he kind of gets a little gray. OK, because do you go quarterback or kicker or punter? And how do you rank punters?
Darin Hayes
But let's talk before we even get in that conversation. Uh, we talked about a lot of young people who only had one season in the NFL. And it was because of his passing for service to this country. Um, well, I would. I don't know if we can put him as the great, you know, as far as being a player on the field, but I think if we don't put him in there, he's definitely an honorable mention for being just a great human being for number six and played NFL football.
Jeremy McFarlan
Oh, I'd give him an honorable mention. Definitely.
Darin Hayes
Yeah, OK. I think we're in agreement with that. So, not to overlook what he did, but only having such a brief career probably doesn't put him up against the qualifications of some of the other folks we have on this list.
Jeremy McFarlan
Now, I missed one. We're off, Ben Benner. OK, I can't even pronounce the last name.
Darin Hayes
He's not even a nursery, not a nursery, yes. He's a term.
Jeremy McFarlan
Charger Hall of Fame is part of their 40th and 50th anniversary team. Now that's pretty solid, too.
Darin Hayes
Yeah, yes, it is.
Jeremy McFarlan
So I mean, so if we're going punters, if we're going kickers, you got to put one of those in there, I would say.
OK.
Darin Hayes
Well, I agree with that. I think probably even though it's, um, before we even get to the, uh, those and kickers, I think, what do you think about a Baker Mayfield? Should he be on that list for only three years, or has he shown that he's won a playoff game now? Unfortunately for our Steelers, he has won a playoff game. He does, you know, he has, uh, commanded an offense for three seasons under three different coordinators in Cleveland, uh, three different head coaches too, I believe. Um, I personally feel that Baker Mayfield deserves to be in that top-five over make, possibly a kick or a putter. That's OK. That's just my feeling.
I can see that.
Darin Hayes
I think we'll be talking, you know, 10 -15 years from now and saying, oh yeah, he's definitely on that list, and he may be in the same class as a couple or something at that point.
Jeremy McFarlan
They're both going slingers, so I could see that I'll give you that.
Darin Hayes
OK, all right, so that leaves us with one spot and it's down to our kickers and our partners.
Jeremy McFarlan
If we're going to go longevity, no, I wouldn't go longevity. I'd say it was probably going to be Kevin Butler. It's probably Kevin Butler on my list.
Darin Hayes
That's who I was going to suggest about the names that we have there because I think he's probably the most renowned of the kickers and plumbers that are on that list. So if we resettle on that for our five, then we're going to have Kevin Butler, Jay Cutler, Ray Flaherty, Benny Friedman, and Wadi Young as our honorable mentions for his heroism of what he did for our country.
Jeremy McFarlan
If he was alive, we would have him go out there, and, you know, he would flip the coin for us.
Darin Hayes
Absolutely, absolutely. All right, well, gosh, that was a good discussion. That was a good number six in some great football history. Now, I will turn the change to directions just for a little bit because I want to get back to your football family podcast. Now we talked a little bit about what you've done so far. What do you have coming up for our listeners that they can look forward to in the near future?
Jeremy McFarlan
Well, I might have somebody who is talking to me on there in the next couple of weeks, but we also have. We also have somebody, Jennifer Taylor Hall is going to be on talking about her book, and then I have coming up Sunday or Saturday, I should say, which this is the 11th will be the 13th. I have a another Lions fan there coming. I didn't know that there were more than one Lions fan. I didn't know that.
Darin Hayes
Oh, no.
Jeremy McFarlan
We have another Lions fan coming on and then next week I have another author and I'm going and we're right now we're working with Chris Willis to get him on. So Lord within I'll get him on as well. He will talk about his work with the NFL. I I'm actually I'm enjoying this way too much. It's almost a crime.
Darin Hayes
well, you're probably not enjoying as much as your listeners are because we sure love your show, and uh, you want to let everybody know, um you're you want to call out your Twitter handle, uh yes, you can get a hold of you and win, your show yeah and
Jeremy McFarlan
and get ahold of me. Let me know how bad I am picking Jay Cutler. It's fine with me. I love the hate. I love the hate. It's at J -E -R -E -M -Y underscore M -C -F -A -R -L -A -N on Twitter, and it's the Football is Family podcast Twitter page. Also, I'm on Facebook at Football is Family podcast, and I want soon to have a website of my own for this to link to the Sports History Network. But you'll also see Darren in the next little bit, and he's going to help me out with this. We're going to be writing some articles, hopefully, about the Super Bowl rings pretty soon. And I'm working as well when I can find the time that my kids are not off of school because of the weather down here in Tennessee. I'm going to start writing on the 2008 Tennessee Titans, which was the team, if anybody remembers, with Chris Johnson and Kerry Collins, the team that nearly should have won the Super Bowl that year if it wasn't for a fluke injury of Chris Johnson against the Ravens.
Darin Hayes
That was that judge, so it's at his 2,000-yard year.
Jeremy McFarlan
No, I think that would be the year after that, but 2008 was a year that they dominated; it was just an incredible team. Also, I've gotten in contact with a former Titan, and I'm just working out some deal with him to come on. Man, it's just a lot of fun. It is a lot of fun.
Darin Hayes
We have a really busy schedule, but we have almost a year's worth covered up.
Jeremy McFarlan
Well, see, that's that's what you do with a year like 2020. We want to get it and have a lot more fun this year.
Darin Hayes
Yeah, that's for sure. And hopefully, we'll be able to get more social things other than doing Zoom calls and phone calls, you know, so
Absolutely.
Darin Hayes
have people in attendance at football games this season, hopefully.
Absolutely.
Darin Hayes
So Jeremy I greatly appreciate you coming on here and helping us with this project with the number sixes and I'm hoping we can get you on for some of these other numbers coming up here here as a bridge to one because we have a long journey ahead of us. 94 or more numbers I think.
Jeremy McFarlan
Well, I'm here to help my friend.
Darin Hayes
OK. Well, we appreciate that. Again, you can catch Jeremy's podcast every Thursday on the sports history network .com. The football is family podcast and it's a really good time. As a matter of fact, as soon as you get done listening to this podcast, go over it and binge-listen because he's got some great programs and some great ones. We just released.
Jeremy McFarlan
Yeah, we just released the one over the Giants.
Darin Hayes
Wow. OK. We have a lot of giant stands out there. So, once again, Jeremy, thank you very much for joining us and helping us with this project.
Jeremy McFarlan
Thank you, Darren.
Darin Hayes
What a great guy and a great football historian Jeremy is. He has a very interesting podcast. You have to check it out because he is a really funny guy, and he just uses that humor throughout all of his podcasts. You'll get a kick out of it. It's every Thursday on SportsHistoryNetwork.com, and you can find Jeremy and this podcast there. There are 15 other podcasts right now, and Arne Chapman's always adding more on there. So, if you love sports history, you have to go to SportsHistoryNetwork.com and check out all those great podcasts. And until tomorrow, everybody, have a great, great Iron Day. Peeking up at the clock, the time's running down. We're going to go into victory formation, take a knee, and let this baby run out. Thanks for joining us. We'll see you back tomorrow for the next podcast.
